hello, i'm new here

[z[h]ero]

Hello,

if some guys are interested why i am here,
the official bzforum is always pissed off cause of my (maybe soooooooo bad) signatures.
(and i am pissed off, too. Cause they do not equal opportunities to me like to the other posters. And secondly they should learn to write better forum rules)

So i was searching for other bzforums and found this forum here :)

[L4m3r]

This isn't a BZ forum; it just happens to share some members. it's its own thing.

Nevertheless, the BZBB admins have eyes here, too...

[CannonBallGuy]

ero;1292']Hello,

if some guys are interested why i am here,
the official bzforum is always pissed off cause of my (maybe soooooooo bad) signatures.
(and i am pissed off, too. Cause they do not equal opportunities to me like to the other posters. And secondly they should learn to write better forum rules)

So i was searching for other bzforums and found this forum here :)


Piss off, racist.

[Win]

I second CBG thoughts.

"German grandparents of today seem likeable, but during WW2 they were nazi!"

WTF dude? How do you know this? Lots of people were:
1) Forced into agreeing with the nazi's, so they wouldn't DIE.
2) A fair amount either fled the country, or simply did not take part in the POS scam Hitler & friends created.
3) Read those 2 over again.

[z[h]ero]

This isn't a BZ forum; it just happens to share some members. it's its own thing.

Thanks i know.



Nevertheless, the BZBB admins have eyes here, too...
And i wouldn't be wondering if here would be even several Bzbb admins, i'm well aware. (Anyway wouldnt have changed anything in my posts)



WTF dude? How do you know this? Lots of people were:
1) Forced into agreeing with the nazi's, so they wouldn't DIE.
2) A fair amount either fled the country, or simply did not take part in the POS scam Hitler & friends created.


I don't reproach u, cause when i learned in scool about nazis i had a totally wrong opinion about nazis and what happened there in germany. It would be a too long essay to write it down in which points i was wrong, but i kinda was thinking like u, but i make it shorter and dont write which of my point of views were wrong, instead i try to answer u more directly:
1. Just in the end-period of Hitlers ruling the people were forced to agree, in this case u are right. BUT: Before that happened Hitler got on his own more and more popular. The people were really ABSOLUTELY luving him, they were totally crazy for him and his speeches and just his appearence made the people total high. The girls in the first row nearly had "black out" when he gave them his hand to greet him. When he came with his cabrio-car into a city, there were incredible masses feasting him like crazy! (I'm not joking). Its definitely clear, Hitler was an incredible Superstar, many resources exist to find this out. (not superstar at the end, in this case u are right).
I tell u something, do u know what happened after Hitler attacked Poland and France? After that the people were even more crazy for him!
Btw, i tell u even more, so u will have even more education about WW2 then other kids in your scool. ;) After german capitulated, the soldats of the winning countries came to germany in order to do peace there. And russians did got power over some big part of german, and what do scool kids think? They think, oh nice for the germans, cause the russians took care for them. But i tell u what happened. The germans were terrorised by them, and much more bad things happened there always, they raped the female for example and did other incredible bad things!! It happened not occasionally! Still the woman are alive in germany and could tell it at first hand Soon even they wont live anymore, but very very few documentations exist that have documented it. And i tell u more, in your scool books isnt written about that, and specially there isnt written that the other countries like usa ABSOLUTELY didn't care about that, and didnt help! U see, these are just some example of many facts that scool kids dont know.
2. Guess who fleed the country? Mainly just the Jews, but not the germans.
But u are right, there WERE people that didnt take part. But as i said, the most part of germans were so much crazy for Hitler, u can't imagine.

How do i know this? When i was young i thought i knew about nazi, but i didnt, as i found out now. I looked incredible much serious documentations about WWZ, Nazis and Hitler. If i would just make my opinion about it from scool books i would have another opinion. That's the reason why i always try to make my opinion by getting informations from several sources, this is a good tactic,too, to use in bz to make opinions about others.
(Its ok if u guys are too young and are not ready for this really difficult topic. I know even much more facts from still alive german people of WW2, as i am from germany, these stories are soo bad, i can't tell them, they make me really sad. Now some of u think they know more or now realy know what happened. No, u still dont know, and specially u dont know what really really happened. Some stories were even so bad that it was tabu to talk or show it in germany, but few years ago they made a documentation about it, and i saw it, plz don't ask what it is, i wont tell it anyway, its not the right place here. Some people sure will be here that are not mental ready for it, so dont ask me.
I can read minds, u think how i can be so crazy to make my fellow countrypeople bad? Well its my attitude, i try to be neutral, that means, i would be unfair, if i would only do "critisism" about others)

And with people who call other without reason racist, i maybe wont be willing to talk in a serious way...hint*.
Think before u post!

[Spazzy McGee]

Think before u post!

Obviously, according to your post, correct spelling, punctuation and grammar is exempt from this rule.

[CannonBallGuy]

I did think before I posted, asshole.
You implied all Germans who were grandparents were also Nazis.
If I call you a nazi, how do you feel?

And, yes, Hitler, in some ways, was a good man, a great man.
He dragged Germany out of depression, for one thing.
He did also kill millions of people, however, so the good deeds tend to go unmentioned.

[z[h]ero]

Obviously, according to your post, correct spelling, punctuation and grammar is exempt from this rule.
Aehm, u expecting pretty much from someone who isnt a native speaker, like me.
I think my post are pretty easy to read. They should be even more easy to read for non-native speakers, as my english level is so primitive. (Well i just got drilled few years english in scool)
I tell u something, on the official bzforum there are many non-nativ-english speakers like me, they write even much more bad then me, and noone critisism them.

[z[h]ero]

You implied all Germans who were grandparents were also Nazis.
If I call you a nazi, how do you feel?


Sry people, i made a really mistake. I forgot here the word "mostly". Really Sry!
(But i'm not sry for anything else what i did write in my previous posts)
So my intention is to imply, the german grandparents that are now still alive, were in most cases(not all!) nazis when they were younger during WW2.
Wait, in few minutes i will add this word in my signature. (I'm not joking, really sry, i was sure everything was ok in my signature. I have kinda the same signature on other bzboards, there i didnt forget the word mostly(i just checked now), and everything is fine there till now. Even on the official bzforum i have had the word "mostly", cause i specially closely looked there).

Aehm, normally i would have more comments for u cbg that i was going to write, but i think i should stop it, cause all the misunderstanding was cause of the missing word in my signature.

Hey man, if u have said it at the beginning in a clear constructive way, there would be no need for all this story.
(And yes, if someone would say to me in real life that i am a nazi and would mean it for real, i would hate it. That's why i am really sry that the word "mostly" missed)

(Anyway, i hope and think now some people know more about nazi then then know from their scool books.. and education is always good.. ;) )



And, yes, Hitler, in some ways, was a good man, a great man.
He dragged Germany out of depression, for one thing.
He did also kill millions of people, however, so the good deeds tend to go unmentioned.
Yeah, exactly what i think, too. (But if i would write down this, i guess many would have called me again nazi or racist or something like that). (To be exactly, i dont just think like that, its obviously for me, but if i say again that your statement is a fact, u guys start telling i force my opinion to u..........)

Edit: if i would be board admin here, i maybe would even punish someone who would have such a signature without the word "mostly". Definitely i would punish it on forums that are more strict then this forum here.
Edit: Signature got changed, i added the word to make my opinion clear.

CBG, i will take my bzforum comment back about your another unnecarry post. As i thought u were wanting from beginning simply a war with me. And so i thought, ok, then u will get it. Just the weird thing is, the topic where i made the comment about u is now somehow completely cleared??

Well, again sry people for the trouble.

[a temporal distraction]

mostly

Wrong again, Hans.

From the wikipedia article. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party)

The result was the same, with the Nazis and the KPD winning 50 percent of the vote between them and more than half the seats, rendering this Reichstag no more workable than its predecessor. But support for the Nazis fell to 33.1 percent,

That means that the two parties combined were only 50% of the vote. Actual percentage of German people who were in the NAZI party was much less than that. Hardly "mostly"

[QuantumBeep]

/me watches Godwin's Mummy go tearing by...

Adolph Hitler was one of those people that was great in every way - a great leader, a great thinker, and a great fool. He thought he was doing humanity a service by killing the "inferior" races. He was wrong, he was a murderer, but his road to hell was certainly well-paved.

Compare to modern political leaders, going to war over OIL.

Anyhow, it's largely true that the Germans were a tough bunch around that time (my grandmother grew up in Berlin during WWII - she was 12 when the Russians came into Berlin, raping, pillaging, and stealing). She's a tough bitch. It's part of their mindset. This does not make them Nazis.

Second point: The German National Socialist Party ("Nazi") was a political party, like any other. Being a member of the Nazi party meant that you supported the reunification of Germany and Austria, decried the treaties restricting German industrial expansion at the end of WWI, and opposed the worthless democratic government that existed during the early 1930s.

Being a Nazi was, and is, no crime. Some high-ranking Nazi officials were, but there are Nazis around today that think murder is a crime, respect the Jewish people, and vote for the same people you vote for.

[a temporal distraction]

/ but there are Nazis around today that think murder is a crime, respect the Jewish people, and vote for the same people you vote for.

and then there are "others" (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/912606.html)

[z[h]ero]

That means that the two parties combined were only 50% of the vote. Actual percentage of German people who were in the NAZI party was much less than that. Hardly "mostly"
Glad that some people here can communicate in a serious way. (Instead of insulting and picking like crazy on someone)
Tks for the information, i will change it in my sig in the next minutes from "mostly" to "many of them". (And "many" can mean everything, its so relative :D)

(Well i will even change it on the other boards, although i dont need to change it there. As facts should be facts)
(BTW i am not "hans", but it doesnt matter who i am)

[CannonBallGuy]

"Black people seem nice but many of them are retarded!" - How does this make you feel?

[Win]

z[h]ero:

You really are a racist dick. I wasn't hoping it would come to that, but I guess it has.

[z[h]ero]

"Black people seem nice but many of them are retarded!" - How does this make you feel?

Btw, everyone would immediatelly says its obvious that your statement is completely wrong, its not even in the range of many. And this way the statement "fulminates", as its just a total obvious lie.
Its like i tell: Birds seem nice but many of them cant fly.
Its a completely sencless statement that fuliminates and obviously is completely wrong. Cause "MANY" is relativ, but its not sooooo relativ.

And how does this feel:
1.USA isnt a real democracy, the democracy is corrupted by cigarette and weapon industry!
2.When "cabaret artist" make extreme merciless fun of the past (they dont do just normal fun, its EXTREME in our country. Its even so extreme, that my sig is a completely joke compared to what they do). For example make jokes about WW2, or Nazis, or...

About 1: it would hurt them, i know. So? But who else then usa made their democracy system, so?
Anyway it would be more worse to lie and telling all people that usa democracy is great!
About2: This would hurt the victims of WW2 VERY much. But hey, i personally wouldn't forbid "cabaret artist" to make fun about every topic, cause there is truth in their speaches.

U see, my examples are VERY EXTREME, they HURT many peoples. But in my opinion its good thats its allowed to do such statements, and it would be totally bad if noone would do such statements, as they do open eyes!

Just answer me one question, would u disallow "Point 2" (cabaret artist) or would u say they should go on what they do?
My sig is not more bad what they do, my sig is more neutral and maybe even much more true.

Edit: @Win: And what u would answer to this question? (Really, its time wasting to speak with people like u, u should learn to grow up and speak in their language)
Edit: @Win: And how many times did u call the "cabaret artist" racists when they talk about nazi and jewish, ...?
Win, I guess u another one of the persons that needs to learn to be neutral!

It makes me laugh when u pretend being an emotional guy that really cares about the feelings of others.
I tell u something, i am really sure u wouldnt try to help in any way if for example "cabaret artist" would start doing fun about jewish or nazi or ...
U wouldnt ask: How does this make the jewish and nazi feel??? Or would u?
Its the same with my signature, to open eyes is the main reason of it. (And not to hit exactly the truth, cause noone hits the exactly truth, else u could tell 65,65386% were Nazis)

Hitler attacked Poland and france and did war with them, after these 2 attacks his popularity grew much! Its just one example. Its not tolerable to say afterwards, no we all were not nazis. Now they are old people, its their fault what they did. U cant run away from past, too sad for them

[Win]

"Its even so extreme, that my sig is a completely joke compared to what they do"

I honestly don't give a crap is your sig is not "as bad" as what someone else does...
If someone murdered someone, does that give you the right to go out and kill another person? No. Not in the least.


"USA isnt a real democracy, the democracy is corrupted by cigarette and weapon industry!"

I wouldn't go as far as that, but yes, it is indeed being fucked over by GWB. Thankfully, I don't live there... Hopefully someone like Ron Paul, Obama, etc can clean up the past 8 years of mess.


"u should learn to grow up and speak in their language"

What language is this...? Huh? Since when does knowing a language involve judging a person's actions.


"i am really sure u wouldnt try to help in any way if for example "cabaret artist" would start doing fun about jewish or nazi"

Really, what makes you so sure of this? Oh, right... you assume everything.

[chillin]

ero;1309']I tell u something, on the official bzforum there are many non-nativ-english speakers like me, they write even much more bad then me, and noone critisism them.

You're being criticized primarily for the content of your posts, not the grammar/spelling. The latter is just you heaping injury upon insult. I suggest at least investing in a spell checker and not using abbreviations. And, uh, using your brain.

[z[h]ero]

"Its even so extreme, that my sig is a completely joke compared to what they do"

I honestly don't give a crap is your sig is not "as bad" as what someone else does...
If someone murdered someone, does that give you the right to go out and kill another person? No. Not in the least.

U consciously misunderstood me, I dont talk about law-breaking-actions as these are obviously forbidden. Obviously noone has the right to law-breaking if someone else did it before him.
Here again my clear question: U can just choose "yes" or "no".
U want allow "cabaret artist" doing their job, or u would disallow doing such jobs? Yes, or no? Keep in mind, in our country they do for example complete extreme jokes, and noone calls them racists! (This answer has much to do with my signature)
What my message is, people need to be consequent. They should never on one hand disallow some people doing sometinhg, and on the other hand allow other people the same thing what is disallowed for the other people.


"USA isnt a real democracy, the democracy is corrupted by cigarette and weapon industry!"

I wouldn't go as far as that, but yes, it is indeed being fucked over by GWB. Thankfully, I don't live there... Hopefully someone like Ron Paul, Obama, etc can clean up the past 8 years of mess.

Yeah i luv for example Obama,too, finally bush gets replaced. (U guys anyway know better about the usa politicians there as u live there).
To be exactly its both, on one hand my formulation was going a bit to far, on the other way the democracy is even more worse, cause usa democracy isnt just corrupted by these industries, this democracy has more problems then just that, and other democracies dont have some additional democracy problems that usa has. But anyway noone matters here about that. And i'm totally not in the mood to talk about that. Just wanted to add it, as this post is more constructive and serious compared to many other posts here.


"i am really sure u wouldnt try to help in any way if for example "cabaret artist" would start doing fun about jewish or nazi"

Really, what makes you so sure of this? Oh, right... you assume everything.

CBG, think about this,too:
So another example, I often heared things like:
-Germans are guilty for WW2.
-Germany is guilty for WW2
Be honestly Win, if in scool your teacher (or your friends, or your familiymemebers, or foreigners, or ...) would say that sentence, u would too call here immediatelly RACIST like u did to me? And u would pick up an incredible crazy completely overheated fight with your teacher, like your life would depend on it? And additionally insult them like crazy?
As i can read minds, i tell u what i think, u just woudnt care about such comments like "GERMANS are guilty for WW2" in real life.

I tell u something, i heared such sentences often in TV and from other people, i till now never called these people RACIST. I think i even till now never saw anyone in my country who did call someone RACIST who tells the sentence above here. And just i really know how bad this feels, and u feel a bit ashame and guilty when hearing it, as i am part of this country. But as i said, i didnt call them RACISTS!

BTW, this formulation is even much much more bad then my signature, as it says GERMANS or GERMANY. On my signature i let in contrast to that the people out that definitely dont have anytinhg to do with NAZIS.

[z[h]ero]

You're being criticized primarily for the content of your posts, not the grammar/spelling. The latter is just you heaping injury upon insult. I suggest at least investing in a spell checker and not using abbreviations. And, uh, using your brain.
If u would use your brain, then u would formultate it in a more true and neutral way, read again all posts:
"I was critisised" is a bad formulation, instead u should formulate it like: "i was heavily insulted and the most posts were just unconstructive and were much more asshaterry instead of helping to solve the problem in a real constructive argumentation with me."

Aehm, i dont tell i dont belief u, but plz tell me some sentences where i used abbreviations. Cause i normally try to disavoid abbreviations.
Anyway, even if i would have a bit too much abbreviations, would it be really a problem? Cause i think that my few abbreviations should be easily and immediatelly understandable.
I luv to say for example "prob" instead "problem". I think everyone immediatelly knows the meaning,so? Maybe in usa noone uses "prob" as abbreviation, i just dont know. If its like that then just tell me, and i try to not abbreviate this word.

[CannonBallGuy]

ero;1328'][U]i normally try to disavoid abbreviations.

That's the problem. Try to avoid them, please.
Sure. English is not your native language, so I won't bash you for that - I don't speak or type perfect English when it's pretty much the only language I know. "Luv" is starting to annoy me, though.


And, you assumed I would not call someone a racist if they implied all German grandparents were Nazis.
This entirely depends upon the situation upon which such an event occurred.
Say, the person making such a statement is a fragile old lady, perhaps senile, at the bus stop... I would make no comment at all.
If the person was a very large looking man, perhaps some kind of body builder drinking shots at a bar... I would make no comment - assuming I would even ever be witnessing such an event.
However, if a peer were to make such a statement, seriously, as if it were fact, yes, I would damn well correct them and inform them to not be so utterly racist in my presence.
Context matters.

[z[h]ero]

"Luv" is starting to annoy me, though.
I will watch it (but am really wondering why this is so important for some people here. Well, if it makes u guys so happy...ok)


And, you assumed I would not call someone a racist if they implied all German grandparents were Nazis.

Nope, few days ago was this situation, it was in the other topic, what made the overwiew about the story more complicated:

CBG:"My reason for calling you a racist, racist, was based on you calling all German grandparents Nazis. Asshole."

zhero: "U are right, i forgot the word "mostly", my fault. Everything is written here: http://goforumyourself.com/showthread.php?t=189"

[z[h]ero]

And racism surely falls under both categories and thus requires extra attention.
I always was thinking like that, too.
(If i intensionally obviouslly want to misunderstand u then i would say, not necessary, as racists are not automatically idiots, as racists can have high IQ ;) But now seriously: Being a high-educated and clever person doesnt mean automatically that u are a good person, well i know, its obviously. So something more interesting: During nazi-time there existed people in german universities that did bestial experiments, and they were really high educated. Well, the experiments were so bestial that people died cause of it)

Btw, when i was talking in my first posts about nazi-time, i obvious implicitly even on my own told that not all people were nazi during that time.
If just someone of u would say in a normal and constructive way:
"Hey zhero, so why u write that all grandparents are nazi in your signature, when u said yourself that not all people were nazi???"
Then the life of us all would be so much easier...

[Win]

"Be honestly Win, if in scool your teacher (or your friends, or your familiymemebers, or foreigners, or ...) would say that sentence, u would too call here immediatelly RACIST like u did to me?"

Nope. I called you racist because you are saying people are nazis, when, this simply wasn't true. Until you remove that part of your lame sig, I won't see you any other way.


"As i can read minds, i tell u what i think, u just woudnt care about such comments like "GERMANS are guilty for WW2" in real life."

I Lol'ed when I read that.. really. In fact, the German's did not start WWII.. If someone where to say that, I would simply reply to them, by saying they have mis-information.

[z[h]ero]

"Be honestly Win, if in scool your teacher (or your friends, or your familiymemebers, or foreigners, or ...) would say that sentence, u would too call here immediatelly RACIST like u did to me?"

Nope. I called you racist because you are saying people are nazis, when, this simply wasn't true. Until you remove that part of your lame sig, I won't see you any other way.

First u speak of the past then u speak of the present. Wait.
First about the past: I already told here in the topic that i accidently forgot the word "many".
Now about the situation at the moment in my signature: German grandparents of today seem likeable, but before WW2 many of them were nazi!
(Btw, people who were 20 years old in the year 1940 are now 87 years old, to have an idea of the age).
In my opinion there is more then just much truth in my signature. If u can't convince me in a serious way that i am telling here something wrong i wont change my signature. And if some people still think that with crazy picking or insulting or things like that they can achieve something in my signature then they are totaly wrong. With serious ways there could be a chance, like for example atd did.

Well u have the good right to think what u want, but if u really think still what u said, then u have a exorbitant stereotyped thinking.

I'm just curious what u would think about me when i'm in the mood to do some critizism comments about the democracy of some countries. Then u would analog maybe call me in a complete wrong and stereotyped manner? Would i be then a communist? Or democracy-hater? Or...?

And if i would tell that i support bush 100% then u would think that i am a complete radical guy? (I dont support him, btw).
But as i said, i can read minds, u would maybe say: nope, i wouldnt call u radical, cause this would be a total overreaction and a complete wrong statement.
So i ask u, why u would call people with such signature that i have at them moment rasists? Its the same, a total overreaction and just a complete wrong statement.


In fact, the German's did not start WWII...
So who started it?

[CannonBallGuy]

The United Kingdom and France were the ones to actually declare war.

[z[h]ero]

The United Kingdom and France were the ones to actually declare war.
Officially.

But i don't care about official statements, i care more about truth. On 1.Sep 1939 Germany attacked Poland. Btw, Germany pretended that poland was guilty. So it officially looked like poland did start to attack some german people... germany had many tricks like that, lol.
They were master in pretending. Even leaders of other countries believed many what Hitler said, although he did COMPLETELY lie sometimes, lol.
(Edit: For example 1936 was olympics in germany. Whole word was invited and Churchill said: "God saves the german people, and Hitler will be rescuer of germany!"
And Hitler said: "I will bring peace to the world!" Wahahaha.
And the people from diffrent nations that came to germany were celebrating germany and Hitler and were happy.
Edit: Hitler was clever, the anti-jew-paroles were forbiden in olympic town berlin. And during the olympic games it was forbiden to hunt jews.
But the world that was invited didnt really notice that something was wrong. Well, i keep in mind, that some people somehow were feeling or knowing that something is wrong in germany, but officially everything was ok)

Then on 3.Spetember 1939 (2 days later after poland got attacked) United Kingdom and France declared war. And the "funny" part: United Kingdom and France promised Poland that they would help in less then 15 days, if Poland would get attacked. But they didnt act like they promised... they were kinda just sitting and watching like germany defeated poland without really helping at all although they promised that they would help!...many many "funny" things like that happened during WW2.

[CannonBallGuy]

I give up reading your shit, dude. This isn't an essay writing class.
Who gives a shit what was official or not. Don't disregard my post when it was pure fact.

[chillin]

ero;1328']If u would use your brain, then u would formultate it in a more true and neutral way, read again all posts:

instead of helping to solve the problem in a real constructive argumentation with me.

Aehm, i dont tell i dont belief u, but plz tell me some sentences where i used abbreviations. Cause i normally try to disavoid abbreviations.

Anyway, even if i would have a bit too much abbreviations, would it be really a problem? Cause i think that my few abbreviations should be easily and immediatelly understandable.

Actually, my stance comes after reading all the previous posts. Would you rather I not be civil and instead chew you out like other people are?

Given your insistence on preserving your opinion, however wrong or right it may be, "solving the problem" is likely not a possible result here...

Just in that reply there's "u", "luv", and "cause", plus the general smattering of spelling mistakes. (I'll forgive the grammar since you're not a native speaker, but at least use some sort of spell checker (http://www.spellcheck.net/) to show you're putting in effort - if you are.)

Hackneyed teenage internet lingo is frowned upon, but a select number of abbreviations are acceptable without making the user sound like an idiot. In my opinion, though, entitlement to use abbreviations involves first obtaining a proper grasp of the English language.

[z[h]ero]

I give up reading your shit, dude.
For me it was for example interesting what QuantumBeep wrote about Nazi history. I guess here are other people that are interested in it,too. Btw, no one complained about his post.
But its ok, u don't need reading my posts.


Don't disregard my post when it was pure fact
I didn't disregard your post, i just added the real unofficial story.
I even confirmed the official statement.


Who gives a shit what was official or not
That's exactly the point. It is VERY important in some cases whether one tells the official or unofficial story. (I don't force u, u don't need to give a shit on the true facts).
But another stupid but good example:
Lets say Germany attacks country1 in 1.Januar 1940 and needs 15 days to defeat it.
And afterwards attacks country2 and needs 30 days for it. But till now no one declared war.
Afterwards a unity of countries are angry and declare official war.

I wouldn't tell in that case the official fact, namely: that the unity of countries were the guys that started the war in middle February.
I would tell the unofficial fact that Germany started war at 1. January.

(written with the power of a spell checker...)

[z[h]ero]

Would you rather I not be civil and instead chew you out like other people are?
Difficult for me to understand the meaning, but i guess U mean i did chew out people in a not nice way?
If that is the message, then i tell U: They did choose their way to heavily insult me and chew me out instead of talking and arguing in a normal manner with me. So what is the problem if i tell them to learn to grow up and first to think before they post? So U see, in my opinion i didn't chew them out, it was the other way round. (just my own definitely opinion)


Given your insistence on preserving your opinion, however wrong or right it may be
I didn't insistence on preserving my opinion. I just told my opinion what i was thinking about different topics. U talk in riddles. Tell me some examples where i was insistence on my opinion in your point of view?
(Additionally i made in some posts before clearly some several times, that U guys can have your own opinion. Last example: CBG said he doesn't give a shit if something is an official fact or not. I told, its very important. And i added: he can have his opinion. But i feel really stupid when i made this addition. But i think my stupid additions are maybe really necessary here as some of U guys get out of control sometimes if someone just does an argumentation against your statements)
Chillin, if i argue against someone opinion, it doesn't mean that i preserve my opinion on him.


but at least use some sort of spell checker (http://www.spellcheck.net/)
Done.

[CannonBallGuy]

ero;1342']For me it was for example interesting what QuantumBeep wrote about Nazi history. I guess here are other people that are interested in it,too. Btw, no one complained about his post.
But its ok, u don't need reading my posts.
QBeep's post did not constitute shit that some crack whore ate and then vomited in the sink.



ero;1342']I didn't disregard your post, i just added the real unofficial story.
I even confirmed the official statement.
You did disregard my statement, when you said it was just the "official" story which you didn't care about.
I stated a pure fact. The UK + France declared war on Germany. Period. You cannot argue that. It is not official or unofficial. It is simply the entire truth.



ero;1342']That's exactly the point. It is VERY important in some cases whether one tells the official or unofficial story. (I don't force u, u don't need to give a shit on the true facts).
I seem to care a hell of a lot more about facts than you, spouting bullshit constantly.
I wasn't telling a story at all, be it official or not. I stated a fact.
I didn't state something that some government made up to hide the truth from anyone. I stated exactly what happened.


ero;1343']Difficult for me to understand the meaning, but i guess U mean i did chew out people in a not nice way?
If that is the message, then i tell U: They did choose their way to heavily insult me and chew me out instead of talking and arguing in a normal manner with me. So what is the problem if i tell them to learn to grow up and first to think before they post? So U see, in my opinion i didn't chew them out, it was the other way round. (just my own definitely opinion)
You deserved everything you got, and a whole lot fucking more. You arrogant, racist, ass-cream spewing fucktard.



ero;1343'](Additionally i made in some posts before clearly some several times, that U guys can have your own opinion. Last example: CBG said he doesn't give a shit if something is an official fact or not. I told, its very important. And i added: he can have his opinion. But i feel really stupid when i made this addition.
Don't misquote me, wichser.
I implied I didn't give a shit what was official and what was not. But a fact is a fact, and facts I do give a shit about - unlike you, arschloch.
You cannot argue that the UK and France did not declare war. They did, that's a well fucking established fact.
What exactly caused the declaration to be made, is an entirely different matter - and sure, there may be official and unofficial stories about that.
But facts, such as "The UK and France declared war..." cannot be disputed.

[z[h]ero]

QBeep's post did not constitute shit that some crack whore ate and then vomited in the sink.
Aehm, then tell me what is so wrong about my statements that i did in my last posts about Nazi-time. Just go and ask some historical-masters and search in the Internet then U will find out that i spoke truth!
CBG, don't just claim that i do constitute shit. Be constructive and tell which of my statements about the nazis in my last post were wrong! Else learn to grow up and think before U post!
If u dont do constructive communication it leads to nothing, this way my statements won't change at all!


You did disregard my statement, when you said it was just the "official" story which you didn't care about.
I stated a pure fact. The UK + France declared war on Germany. Period. You cannot argue that. It is not official or unofficial. It is simply the entire truth.

I seem to care a hell of a lot more about facts than you, spouting bullshit constantly.
I wasn't telling a story at all, be it official or not. I stated a fact.
I didn't state something that some government made up to hide the truth from anyone. I stated exactly what happened.

Its just a claim that U care more about the truth than me. I can claim this other way round,too, phew.
Ok, ok, i will let U, U right, it is a fact. Happy? (But i never told that your official fact was wrong, i even approved it).
When i said: "I don't care about facts but care more about truth" then it was just my own opinion. Why are u so pissed of my own opinion. Many posts here are just the opinion of individuals, just get over it. I can't write here after each sentence in this post that everything is just my own opinion.
Don't think that i changed my mind btw, i still care about truth and not about facts. Again clearly, it is just my personally opinion. So let us just end this discussion, u have your opinion, and i have my opinion, this way we can be happy. End.
I will make U now even more happy: I was so nice that i added your fact that is so factual in my signature:-At WW2-time France and United Kingdom started declaring war on Germany! They started it! It is a fact!
But i tell U something, if i would have been coming to this forum additionally with this signature-sentence then i would be very sure that i would get insulted by U again like crazy. (Again, its just my opinion) So be consequent now, if we meet on other places or other boards and someone starts to attack this signature-sentence then U need to insult and pick up a fight with the one who tells that this signature-sentence is wrong or inacceptable. U said it yourself, France and United Kingdom declared war.
I personally don't like to make usage of such a signature-sentence, but on this forum here i do it. (Then some people can learn from the story maybe).
If some people here tell me in a nice manner that i should delete the new signature sentence then i will delete it, else i won't.


You deserved everything you got, and a whole lot fucking more. You arrogant, racist, ass-cream spewing fucktard.
Don't be annoyed, pissed off and don't bleed, U deserved it yourself, if U would be from the beginning constructive and would communicate in a normal serious manner in order to solve a problem instead of insulting me all the time and instead of doing completely unreasonable statements about me, then this story here wouldn't happen. Your faults. It was up to U, not up to me. I already thought that U did change a bit, but too sad, U absolutely didn't, U did choose again the COMPLETELY wrong way of doing a post with massive insulting, so U forced me that i give U the post that U deserve, here we go. Eat it.
Just be glad that i am not moderator here, else u would have been already 100 times a dead man here.
In contrast to U some other people did behave in another manner than U and made the situation better.

[PETER]

z[h]ero: Obviously you have the mental capacity of a toaster so I'll spell it out for you..

Use a spell checker.

Don't be a racist and intelligent life forms might like you.

Learn things before writing about them.

And last but not least, shut the fuck up you racist, ignorant, horrible, mentally challenged excuse of a human being.

[H0ley]

WHAAT?! I got left out of a flamewar?! GRRRR!!!

[z[h]ero]

Wouldn't expect from u that u start the same sort of post like some persons did here.


z[h]ero: Obviously you have the mental capacity of a toaster so I'll spell it out for you..
Use a spell checker.
Ok, so i have the mental capacity of a toaster. But then u have the mental capacity of an ant.
I shall use a spell checker? But I did it u ant! Don't claim just things.
I tell u what my errors of my last long post were: I did write "u" small instead in big letters. Everything else is correctly there. So what is your real problem?

Peter, first use your brain => First read the whole story. Then u would see that i am not a native speaker. So again, i am really very sorry for my TOTALLY sucking low level of english speaking(in the point of grammatics and ...), and i am sorry that i will never learn speaking good english. Yes, again, i regret that i wasn't drilled more in the english lection! But can't we let end this shit. It goes really on my nerves. Already 2 guys chewed me out cause of my bad english. Someone told i shall use a spell checker. That's what i do. And i had some peacful time that finally noone chews me out cause of this, and then comes again some brat like u, i'm again pissed of!

Peter, i didnt expect from u that u have the same mentally like some guys here, that u concentrate on chew out and pissing of a victim together with the others.
Peter, i tell u something, instead that u start concentraiting to pick up a fight with me like some other did here, better go to the official bz-forum and u will find out easy many many post that are much more bad in point of grammatic, spelling, and so on. So go there to, and tell them the same! Learn to be more neutral peter, and learn to think before u post, and learn to grow up!


Don't be a racist and intelligent life forms might like you.
Again, why u think i am a racist. U have a really bad stereotyped thinking, peter!
Peter, altough specially we germans suffer when people tell "Germans are guilty for WW2", i in my whole life never chew anyone out cause of this. Its a pain for me, as i am part of Germany, but i dont chew him out as it is kinda true! For this same reason the other Germans don't chew out people that say this (kinda really true) statement, too.
Now compare my signature, my signature is even much more better verbalized, as i take out the innocent people like normal aged adults of nowadays that absolutely have nothing to do with WW2.
I tell U more, what would be even much more bad then to chew out someone cause of this would be to tell him that he is a racist, as he said that "Germans are guilty for WW2". U don't know how the Germans are really feeling about it, but i tell U, we Germans don't call other people racists when they say "Germans are guilty for WW2"! Although we get most mad about such sentences. Again, i never made usage of this more extreme last named sentence in my signature, although i could here.
First read all posts, there are now 4 pages in this topic, read them first, then u will find out some important things.


Learn things before writing about them.
Don't just claim. What of my statement is wrong, or what have i to learn?


And last but not least, shut the fuck up you racist, ignorant, horrible, mentally challenged excuse of a human being.
Wow, this i would really have not been expecting of u. (Are u really the "peter" of bz-forum? Wondering why u hate me so much as we never really did meet in bz and didnt spoke together. On the other hand afterwards it was understandable kinda why cbg was pissed off, as i made an accidently error in my signature. But i don't understand your completely overreacted extreme reaction at all.)
Peter i tell u even more. For me it was clearly in the first 1 or 2 days that i totally don't belong to such a community here. (As many concentrate just to chew out someone, concentrate to chew out, concentrate to insult, are doing just claims, can't answer my questions when i ask them why they think i am wrong, or just do passiv adminjob, are totally asshats, and what they claim about others is often just true in reference to themselfs, and some act in a corrupted way, and some can't say sry even if they made an obviously error, and many many things more. And additionally it is mostly done in a completely unreasonable way. Some should think about it and should try to guess to which group they belong). And now comes a brat like u and does many of these errors again! It pisses me so off!
Don't misunderstand me wrong people. Sure, here are mature guys that have a complete another character then the others.
And don't misunderstand me wrong, just some part of the community is wrong, not the whole community.
I can read minds, u asking me so why i was staying here and not simply leaving? Cause i didn't want to make the pleasure to get rid of me so easy, first some people should get the fight that they deserved.
What is your aim peter? Do u want to act cool? U want to pretend to be some cool tough mofo-like guy in order to belong to their gang? (Peter, just to let u know, although i didn't really know u, i was starting to appriciate u more and more, the posts that i saw from u on the bz board and more things like that, but u managed to change my opinion completely)
I was glad that the situation now was calming down, just i had one last overheated discussion with someone. But the others learned here from the past with them i had finally kinda peace. And i was really glad that on the other topic here on the board everyone started finally to act in a normal manner, and to be there finally construcitve.
But now comes some brat like u and does the same errors that already happened here, it pisses me really off. Peter learn,too, to think before posting. Peter, just keep to go on in the same way, and u will get from me what u deserve. And your post will lead to nothing, this way u wont change my opinion.


WHAAT?! I got left out of a flamewar?! GRRRR!!!
I hope this flame war gets sopped now. I can stop my mouth if other are able to stop talking about it,too.

[Win]

"Don't just claim. What of my statement is wrong[...]"

You obviously haven't been listening to a single word we've been saying.

[z[h]ero]

"Don't just claim. What of my statement is wrong[...]"
You obviously haven't been listening to a single word we've been saying.
Other way round. U obviously didn't read many of my hint comments i did here in the topic.
So i again repeat one of my many hints i did here: Again, be constructive, what didn't i for example listen?
Claims that are lies lead to nothing and are completely unconstrucitve, win.

@Peter: Wait. I can imagine what the problem is, i guess U were angry cause of this signature statement:
"-At WW2-time France and United Kingdom started declaring war on Germany! They started it! It's a fact"
But when U read the whole story of this topic then U will find out that someone said facts are facts, and facts arn't deniable. And no one chewed out him that he made such a fact-sentence, so i used this sentence as signature. If U want to find out more U need to ask cbg, as cbg is the expert of facts, not me).

[PETER]

Ok, so i have the mental capacity of a toaster. But then u have the mental capacity of an ant.

Just in case you didn't know, toasters don't have any mental capacity, they are objects, ants on the other hand do have some mental capacity.


I shall use a spell checker? But I did it u ant!

Note: The letter "u" won't come up on a spell checker as being incorrect in someway, that is because on it's own it isn't a spelling mistake. Instead of the letter "u", use the word "you".


Peter, i didn't expect from u that u have the same mentally like some guys here,

Awww, don't say that, these guys taught me how to take the piss out of people like you.


Peter, altough specially we germans suffer when people tell "Germans are guilty for WW2", i in my whole life never chew anyone out cause of this.

So you can speak for all 82,000,000 people in Germany?


@Peter: Wait. I can imagine what the problem is, i guess U were angry cause of this signature statement:
"-At WW2-time France and United Kingdom started declaring war on Germany! They started it! It's a fact"
But when U read the whole story of this topic then U will find out that someone said facts are facts, and facts arn't deniable. And no one chewed out him that he made such a fact-sentence, so i used this sentence as signature. If U want to find out more U need to ask cbg, as cbg is the expert of facts, not me).

It's not the "At WW2-time France and United Kingdom started declaring war on Germany! ", it's the "They started it!", I do seem to remember something about Germany invading Poland.


For me it was clearly in the first 1 or 2 days that i totally don't belong to such a community here.

Then piss of :)

[H0ley]

You guys dont know shit about your own shit, shitty peoples!

[z[h]ero]

Note: The letter "u" won't come up on a spell checker as being incorrect in someway, that is because on it's own it isn't a spelling mistake. Instead of the letter "u", use the word "you".
Ahhhh! Didn't know that. Chillin told me the "u" was wrong, so i used the spell checker, the checker proposed a "big" letter "U", so i was using it like that...Edit: Yeah, a stupid story...
Finally a constructive comment again, now i try using "you" on this forum.
(Its so much hard coded in my brain to use "u", that i will go on using "u" maybe on other forums and on bz, i anyway think that nearly all people don't really care if its "u" or "you")


Awww, don't say that, these guys taught me how to take the piss out of people like you.
I know, i saw it when i watched some posts. (Was horrible....some are masters of insulting...that's why i specially expected something different from you)


So you can speak for all 82,000,000 people in Germany?
Well you are kinda right, too. But believe me, i really good know how we Germans feel about such statements about Germans. (Its like i told in my post. Ok, just my opinion, if it makes u more happy)
Lets just be your opinion yours. And my opinion mines. This way we can be happy :)


It's not the "At WW2-time France and United Kingdom started declaring war on Germany! ", it's the "They started it!", I do seem to remember something about Germany invading Poland.
Yes. (Btw, in this topic here i even somewhere exactly did write how it began between Poland and Germany. So it was like i was thinking, Peter, if u have time and are interested u should really read the whole topic here, it can be really worth to do it)
Ok, so i think this was exactly the sentence U had the problem. That's ok. (I personally don't have a real problem with this sentence, as it was even really a true fact that France and United Kingdom first declared war to germany. The whole sentence just sounds for some people like Germany is not guilty as France and United Kingdom started the war. Exactly cause of this reason i said to cbg some important comments. (Its written in this topic here somewhere if you are interested). I even told CBG, that if i would put his "fact-sentence" in my signature i am sure people would call me racist. And the situation came exactly how i was thinking. I deleted this sentence in my signature now. But if cbg pisses me off i will add it again. (If people don't like signatures of other people here its their good right to leave the forum... i don't mean u peter, i mean some other people)

Well, i hope the misunderstanding is now solved, Peter.

Btw for some others, i added now "in my opinion" into my signature. (As I was speaking with some real mature and constructive admin about my signature. Some of you could learn from such grown up people like him...)


You guys dont know shit about your own shit, shitty peoples!
Again a really helpful post...specially good to raise your amount of posts...congratulation

[L4m3r]

Enough of this drivel!

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